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INTERVIEWEE: Raymond H. Pflughoeft


DATE: February 1,2007

PLACE: Lyons, Kansas

(Also present for the interview are Raymond's wife, Luella, and their daughter, Lou Ann


POE: We're going to start recording here now. This is interviewer, Marian Poe, for the Rice County Historical Society's World War II Veteran's Oral History Project. We are here today in the home of Ray Pflughoeft. With us today also is his wife. And what was your first name?

MRS PFLUGHOEFT: Luella. L-U-E-L-L-A. POE: Luella and his daughter, Lou Ann Clark. MRS CLARK: Yes.

POE: So, thank you very much for allowing me to be here today on February the 1st 2007. Now you get to do all the talking, but I do need to know when and where you were born.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: In Ellsworth County.

POE: In which county?


POE: Oh, Ellsworth. And when was that?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: September 13, 1917.

POE: And you were in the World War II service?


POE: What branch of service were you in?


POE: Go ahead.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: I was in the infantry all the time, but I was with too different outfits.

POE: Oh...

MR PFLUGHOEFT: And when I went overseas, why, I was in the 158th Bushmaster outfit. And then when I got discharged, I got a letter that I was in Air Corp, too. Had the same rating, but they - when I was in the Infantry in Miami, Florida, why, they sent me to plane spotter school.

POE: Oh...

MR PFLUGHOEFT: And I think maybe they was getting ready to ship me into the Air Corp. But I don't know, that's - all I know is I got papers I was in the same rating and everything in the Air Corp. [chuckling].

POE: And what was the highest rank you received?


POE: What was your rank?


POE: Were you drafted or enlisted?


POE: You were drafted?


POE: And when did you go into service?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: March the 1st in'42. At Leavenworth.

POE: Okay. And then where did you do your basic training?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Ft. Lewis, Washington.

POE: And then you went to Miami?


POE: Oh, okay.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: We was on the west coast for, oh, I don't know how long. But we was on detached service. We had - I was stationed at Eureka, California, our company was, and we had another company different places. And our headquarters was in San Francisco, our regiment headquarters. And then when... they was gonna ship us -1 didn't know it until I had got out of service - but I had a cousin in the service and somehow he knew that we were supposed to go to the Aleutian Islands. But our outfit was so scattered out we couldn't get everyone together in time. So, I know they ordered us, we had [inaudible] and all winter equipment they issued us, and then we got on - they shipped us from San Francisco to Miami, Florida. We got out there with all that winter clothes [chuckling]. So I kinda believed him, that we was supposed to go to the Aleutian Islands. I never did know it for sure, but... People thought we was crazy when we unloaded off the train there in Florida.

POE: And then where did you go from Florida?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Went back to San Francisco and then to the South Pacific.

POE: You served in the South Pacific then?


POE: Okay. You want to talk about that? Where all the islands and things that you were and what you did?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: First landed, when they shipped me overseas, on New Guinea. And I don't know how long we was on that, where they dumped us off. Then they loaded us up on a junk ship. All it had was blowed up tanks and stuff on it. Took us to the other side and I'm pretty sure it was Port Moresby. Anyway, it was a boat dock and we unloaded boats there. And they just dumped us off in the jungle and nothing to eat, nothing. And we stayed there for a couple days. We had a Lieutenant with us and he, they wanted us to unload boats and he said, "My men ain't had nothing to eat. They aren't gonna unload boats." So they told us to come up there to the dock and we got some food. And we was there for a couple days and finally - we didn't have no beds or nothing, just one blanket - and there at that unloading dock, why, they had a big pile of Army cots and one guard. He was sitting on top of 'em. And we was gonna just pick one up and go back to camp and he said, "You guys better not." He said, "I'll have to shoot you." And our officer, he was with us, he said, "These men are my men," and he said, "They ain't got a bed to sleep on." And he said, "I'll be back in a minute." And he went and talked to somebody and we all got a cot [chuckling] that was on detail that day. And at least we got to sleep on a cot for a while. Then we, well, they shipped us from there then to [inaudible]. And then we relieved paratroopers there and that's when I joined - I was in the 144th Stateside and when I got overseas I was in the 158th Infantry. They called it the Bushmasters. Then we went to the Philippines, landed over there and got into action there. And then they loaded us up again and then we went to the southern tip

of Luzon; landed in the southern tip of Luzon. And I don't know how long I was there, but that's where I got hit and wounded. And from there I was in the field hospital for, I don't know how long. A couple weeks, 1 think. And then they shipped me to Island Leyte, for a convalescent hospital. And I was there for, I don't know how long, and then I went back to the outfit. Then, well, I was back with the outfit for, I don't know, I suppose a month and then they - anyway, the war was over and they said I could go home. I needed one more point and that First Sergeant and acting Captain, he said, "Well, you gotta scar somewhere? We can fix it so you can still catch a convoy." The convoy was going to the boats as I was coming back.

POE: [Chuckling] Oh...

MR PFLUGHOEFT: And then I said, "Well, where're we going now?" And they said, "We're going to Japan." I said, "Well, I'll never see it any cheaper way." So I stayed until they shipped us to Japan. Then we was there and seen where that atomic bomb landed.

POE: Oh my...

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Then from there, why, I come home. That's about it [chuckling].

POE: Going back to - you were born in Ellsworth County?


POE: And what did your parents do? Were they farmers?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: He was till they sold out. Then he went to work for the San Francisco Railroad, there at Ellsworth.

POE: Did you have brothers and sisters?


POE: Where were - how many brothers and sisters did you have?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: I had four sisters and two brothers.

POE: Where were you - were you oldest, youngest?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: I was the second one.

POE: Second one? Okay.

MRS CLARK: He was the oldest boy in the family.

POE: Okay. So, there's usually a lot of responsibility on the oldest boy then, so you probably were a big help to your parents then.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Well, I suppose. Anyway, it seemed like I was always the one who had to cut wood [chuckling].

POE: [Laughing] Yeah. And you went to school - where about, which schools did you goto?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Well, when we was on the farm I went to Walnut Grove school. That was in north Ellsworth. And then from, we moved south of the farm, and then I went to Spring Creek school there. And then from there, why, we came to Ellsworth, moved to Ellsworth.

POE: Yeah. Did you graduate from Ellsworth High School? MR PFLUGHOEFT: No. POE: Okay.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: I needed a half a year yet, I think it was. Anyway, it wasn't a full year. I didn't have quite enough credits.

POE: Were you married when you were drafted?


POE: So you were still single?


POE: Okay. And then what - when did you get out of service? It was '46 [chuckling].

MR PFLUGHOEFT: In December some time.

POE: Okay.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Before Christmas.

POE: So you were home for Christmas then?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Yeah. I was supposed to get home for Thanksgiving, but...

POE: Oh.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: .. .they shipped - like us guys that was supposed to come home -people out of our outfit, they switched us over to Ameri-Cal Division. They said they needed people to [inaudible]. Well, we got over there and they just held us there. And guys that come from our outfit and visit us, and they said, "Well, aren't you home yet? Going home? We got guys had less numbers than you, they're going home already." And, boy, we had -1 had one Sergeant, no, two Sergeants, I think - they got mad and they went to the Captain. They told him, "The next boat that comes in, we better be on it or you ain't ever going home" [chuckling]. So we got on it.

POE: Do you happen to remember your service number?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Service number?

POE: Uhhum.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: 37147961.

POE: [Laughing] What a memory! Isn't that amazing?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: That was one number you had to remember, but.,.

POE: Yeah.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: You had so many numbers to remember. You had a rifle number, bayonet number and then when I was taken from the infantry, then they put me in a machine gun section. Then I had to know my rifle number, position number and a machine gun number. Talk about numbers! [Laughing] I don't remember any of 'em but this one.

POE: [Chuckling] That's the one you had to give to get your pay, right?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: [Chuckling] Yeah. Pay and clothes. Every time you got different clothes you had write 7961 in it.

POE: When you were injured, was it shrapnel that hit you...? MR PFLUGHOEFT: Yeah. POE: ...or was it a direct hit? MR PFLUGHOEFT: Mortar shell. POE: Mortar shell.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Killed one of our guys - one that was in foxhole, killed him. And then the rest of us - one of 'em got some in hand, in the back, and most of it was in our

legs. Cause the Sergeant that was with us, he said he seen this shell coming down, or hit a tree, and he said, "Jump!" and we jumped out. And this one, he stayed in there and he didn't make it.

POE: So, did you get any medals or...?


POE: ...for that?


POE: You remember the name of it?


POE: What medal did you get? Was it a Purple Heart or a Bronze Star?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Purple Heart.

POE: Did you receive any other special medals or...?


POE: So you came back home in December of '46 to Ellsworth County.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: '45,1 think it was.

POE: '45?


POE: Okay. So you came home and then how long was it before you got married?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Let's see, I come home in '45 and we got married in '48.

POE: '48. Okay. And did you have - I'm saying 'did you have children?' [laughing], I know you did! But how many children did you have?


MRS PFLUGHOEFT: [Referring to Lou Ann Clark] That's her.

POE: Just one? Okay

MRS CLARK: Just me.

POE: We're going to introduce Lou Ann here. [Focusing the digital camcorder on Mrs. Clark] This is Lou Ann.


POE: And then we have Mrs. Pflughoeft. Luella.

MRS PFLUGHOEFT: [Chuckling] Oh my... don't know if anybody's gonna want to look at this.

POE: So, and then you stayed right in this same vicinity then?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: When we got married you mean?

POE: Yeah.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Yeah. I worked in a grocery store for one year, wasn't it?


MR PFLUGHOEFT: And then we moved out here. In '49 we moved out here - August 1st.

POE: And you farmed here?


POE: And you're still farming?


MRS CLARK: No. They just live there.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: We just watch the neighbors farm now [chuckling].

POE: [Chuckling] You watch the neighbors farm now. Okay. How long have you been retired?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Twenty years?

MRS CLARK: No. It hasn't been that long Dad. It's only been about twelve years now, I think.


MRS CLARK: About twelve.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: [Laughing] I better take their word.

POE: When you got home then, did you keep in touch with any of the friends you had made while you were in service?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: No. See, we all got split up overseas. POE: That's true.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: And one guy that was a friend of mine, he went 24th Division and the last I knew of, all he did was, painted signs for the headquarters. He was a real good drawer, artist. But the rest of 'em, I don't know whether they got killed or what. I don't know.

MRS CLARK: There was one gentleman...


MRS CLARK: His name was Peevo?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Oh, yeah. But he was - when we was still with the old outfit, the 144th - my friend from Texas, Henry Peevo, er, Kanable. And we always called him 'Peevo' cause he liked beer and people with beer [inaudible] [chuckling]. And I went down there to see him and that's the only one that I made contact with after I got out.

POE: Did you join the American Legion or the VFW when you came home?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Yeah. The Legion, the VFW, and DAY. I belong to the Legion at Ellsworth and the VFW at Ellsworth. And the DAV at Great Bend.

POE: Are you still active in any of those?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Not too much. Getting too hard to get around anymore and...

POE: Yeah. Does Ellsworth still have an American Legion and VFW that are active?


POE: A lot of them aren't as active as they used to be.

MRS CLARK: They notify him of different events that are going on there all the time, so... he just, like he says, it's just hard for him to get around.

POE: Yeah. Particularly with that snow and the ice we've been having.



POE: Boy, that keeps you inside, doesn't it?

MRS PFLUGHOEFT: Yeah, it does. It's really been a mess.

POE: Well, you were out - you mentioned the time whenever you were dumped on the island without food. During the rest of the time, were you like on - did you have like C-rations or K-rations?


POE: Or did, most the time, you had...?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: We went to that boat dock and when we're done unloading boats, whatever, like, crates of peaches or beans or whatever you was unloading, we'd get a case of them and hide 'em. And then when we'd go back to camp we'd take it back with us. That's how we - and we stole...

MRS CLARK: [Chuckling] This is American...

MR PFLUGHOEFT: A truck come by and he had these field ranges, gas stoves. I don't know how many he had on his truck. But he got stuck and so we unloaded one of them. So we had a stove [laughing].

POE: So they didn't have like a mess tent set up or anything?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: No. We didn't have - we had to make our own.

POE: And where - how many guys were in this unit that this happened to?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Forty of us.

POE: Forty of you and you were just there?...

MR PFLUGHOEFT: We did get, when we was coming from the one side of New Guinea on that junk ship, well, that - I don't know, they stopped somewhere and our Lieutenant was over us. Well, he said, "Can I use a dinghy and go ashore and get us something to eat?" Cause we hadn't had nothing to eat for a couple days. And they said, "Yeah." And so they unloaded a little 'ol dingy and he went ashore and got a bunch of rations for us, enough to last us for a day or two. Then we had to steal the rest of it, but... [chuckling]


POE: Did you, were you able to use any of the local - was there anything growing there that you could use? Somebody had said that they, where they were stationed, it was one of the islands, they had sweet potatoes that they grew and they incorporated that.


POE: You just had to take what came off the boats? MR PFLUGHOEFT: Nothing but coconuts. POE: Coconuts? Okay.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: We ate a lot of coconut and... but when we got to Japan, why, I was driving a Jeep with a machine gun on it and we had a break in this nice field of onions. And we went out there and we started pulling onions. Our Captain was with us, he said, "You guys sure you want them?" We said, "Yeah, because they're fresh." He said, "Better look on the ground." Well, they use their bathroom stuff for fertilizer.

POE: [Chuckling] Oh...

MR PFLUGHOEFT: [Chuckling] We just dropped 'em.

POE: About how long were you in Japan?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: About three months, I think.

POE: Okay. So did you get to see some of the countryside?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Yeah. I got to see that shrine or whatever. That was -1 did have history on it. I thought I brought a piece of paper home with me. I think he said it was either 35,000 or 3,500 Japanese to build that place. And they was pretty good. But you got there and whatever you went in to, you had to take your shoes off. Cause their floors were lacquered and it was really - they were clean.

POE: When you came home, did you use the GI Bill in anyway, to either buy a house or to...?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: No. POE: No. Nothing?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: 1 wanted to get a loan on the farm here and then the guy, I wanted to go through the GI loan, why, he really give me trouble and then the banker said, "Forget it. I'll take care of it." So, I went through the bank.

POE: Is there anything else you'd like to add?


MR PFLUGHOEFT: Not that I know of.

POE: How do you think your military experience affected the rest of your life?


POE: How do you think your military experience affected the rest of your life?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Well, there was parts I enjoyed and there was some I wouldn't, they couldn't give me enough for it. But it wasn't -1 don't think it affected me too much. It was just a fair life, I mean, just about like - well, I was lucky. Most my service was, like in California, why, that's a recreation place. And Miami, Florida was too and we went to [inaudible] Race Track and all of that [chuckling]. And then I was on bridge guard, down there at Jupiter. That was a picnic. I wanted to stay there for the duration cause we stood, me and my buddy, we stood 8 hours of guard duty and 8 hours off, but we stayed in a motel and we got $90 a month plus our base pay. And no officers around, we was our own boss, ate in a motel [chuckling]. I wished I never had to leave there, but they jerked me off of there and that's when they sent me to plane spotter school.

POE: And so, when you were training to be a plane spotter, did you then do some spotting while - where they...?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: No. They sent us to school and in a tent they'd make it real dark and they had a screen and they'd kinda - one-tenths of a second or something like that, they'd flash on a screen - you'd have to sit in the dark for, oh, maybe five, ten minutes till your eyes got used to the dark - then they'd flash it. Then you had to write in your notebook what you'd seen in the dark. I mean, they'd just flick and that was it and then you'd have to see whether it was a plane or a truck or a tank or whatever. It was kinda fun. That was kind of a good deal, too, cause had 24-hour pass. I could go and come any time I wanted to [chuckling].

POE: But you never actually had to do any plane spotting anywhere that you were?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: No. And I kinda wondered where I'd went if they, after I got back, if I'd stayed in, where they would've shipped me.

POE: Uhhum.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: I don't know. Why they sent me to that plane spotter school, I don't know. Except, one time I asked the Captain, I said, "Is there any way of getting out of this infantry and getting into something else?" And he said, "What would you want to get in to?" And I remember saying "Air Corp" cause everybody'd always talk about the Air Corp. They said you always got a roof over your head if you're in there. So, that's the only thing I can see, that he put my name in for transfer. But that's about it, I guess.


POE: Is there anything else you'd like to add? MR PFLUGHOEFT: Not that I know of.

POE: [Speaking to Mrs. Pflughoeft and Mrs. Clark] Anything either one of you would like to add?

MRS CLARK: When you asked how it affected him, like throughout his life, I know there were times that, in school, that it would be brought up and they'd say, "Well, were your parents in the war?" And I'd say, "Well, my father was in World War II." I had some of the older parents in my class. And they'd say, "Well, what all did he do there?" Well, Dad didn't want to talk about the fighting itself. And when I would ask him questions, he'd say, "You don't want to know." And so it was just something that was understood, that you just didn't ask him about, it was just... that was a part of it. He would talk about being in California or in Florida and tell about the little stories that, you know, the guys did this and the guys did that. But when it came to the actual fighting, that wasn't something that he ever, as far as I've ever known, that he ever talked about with anybody. He just said it wasn't something that needed to be discussed, so...

MR PFLUGHOEFT: I never did tell anybody, I don't think, but when they sent us to [inaudible], well, we relieved the paratroopers there. They were the ones that took that island over. And there was some of 'em yet at the boat dock - we had to go unload boats there or load 'em up. And they said them Japs, the paratroopers would land in trees - it was nothing but jungle, mostly jungle with an airstrip - and some of them paratroopers landed in trees and Japs would cut 'em down and then they'd eat part of 'em. Cause there wasn't no meat of any kind on that island. Vegetables, the native fish, and coconuts was about their main diet. But I... oh, I seen some of the... I don't know. We had a place up at the camp area where the paratroopers were and there was kaki's around there just full of blood.

POE: Not good memories.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: It wasn't a good island anyhow. I think it was close to five miles wide and fifteen miles long. And once a week we'd have to walk around it cause there was several Japs that was, that our outfit didn't kill, or the 158th, before I joined 'em, and they were butchers. They was half-breeds from Arizona, is what the 158th was and they were something else. I know, we run into one Jap walking around that island, patrolling it, and some of them regular guys in 158th, they had a machete and they run up behind him and just cut him in the back till they killed him. And I thought, well, I didn't like the Japs, but I wouldn't of did that I don't think. But they was the Arizona half Indians and half whites. They was... if they drank a little bit, they were off.

POE: Is there anything else you'd like to add? MR PFLUGHOEFT: No. Not that I know of.


POE: Well, in that case then we will conclude the interview today, February 1st 2007, here in the home of Raymond Pflughoeft. Thank you Mrs...

MRS PFLUGHOEFT: [Chuckling] Oh, you're welcome!

POE: ...and Lou Ann...

MRS CLARK: Thank you.

POE: .. .very much for allowing me to be here today.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: At Pflughoeft like... oh, I get letters from the VFW or the hospital, Veterans Hospital, and when I was in the outfit, why, both outfits, the 144th and the 158th, they never would pronounce 'Pflughoeft'. They'd just call me 'Ray Pflug' [laughing]. And I get mail that like!

POE: You're kidding?!


POE: [Chuckling] I guess they couldn't...

MRS PFLUGHOEFT: [Chuckling] They couldn't get it all.

POE: [Laughing] They couldn't get all of it, yeah.

MRS CLARK: There's many times through the years that, you know, somebody would call and they'd say, "Well, can we send you something in the mail?" "Yes." And we'd say our name was Pflughoeft. Well, then that's how it would come, F-L-E-W-O-F-F [laughing]. There's many interpretations of the name Pflughoeft.

POE: Well, let's make sure that I have it spelled correctly, okay? Yeah, I have it here P-F-L-U-G-H-O-E-F-T.


MRS PFLUGHOEFT: That's correct.

POE: Well, it's because, Lou Ann, you printed it [laughing]. That's why.

MRS CLARK: [Laughing] So I better have spelled it right.

POE: [Chuckling] Right.

MRS PFLUGHOEFT: I don't know of anything else. He's told about everything that there is [chuckling].


POE: Okay.

MRS CLARK: He had many stories, you know, little things about how good some of the people were to the service men. They would take 'em into their homes and feed them. I think he's told, you know, I can't even tell you about all the stories that Daddy's told about different things like that.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: That was when we was in, well, we was at Sebastopol, California. Stayed in an old CC camp, our company did. And then, everybody else went to Batangas and, er, Sebastopol - the town of Sebastopol. And me and two buddies, we'd go the opposite way. Well, we ended up in Bodega and it was nothing but, oh, a beer hall, beer joint, and a dance hall. It was all combined. And we went there a couple times and the people, they took us in like we was their own kids. They'd baptize their baby and we was invited to the dinner. And every Sunday they had something going on, so we made a point to get there every Sunday and then they'd bring us back to camp. It was about a two-mile walk, maybe a little further. And then I asked the Captain for a three-day pass one time there and he said, "What're you gonna do with a three-day pass?" And I said, "I'm going fishing." "Where're you going fishing?" I said, "Down Bodega Bay." And he said, told the First Sergeant, he said "Make him a pass out." And he said, "I'm coming down there." So I went down there and Froley, he was wanting to get a pass, too. He did and we both went together down there and went to this motel. They wouldn't charge us for the motel and we had - they give us a boat, a rowboat, to row out in the bay. But we had to buy the fish bait. [Laughing] That was the only thing we paid for. But that was a real nice place there. Those ranchers there, well, they really treated you good. And when I was in, at that time, if you was gonna go to town, you had the camp area, get on the highway and the first car that come by, they'd always pick you up. You never walked very far.

POE: Were you always in uniform?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Yeah. We had to stay in uniform all the time.

POE: Yeah.

MRS CLARK: Where were you at when you came down with malaria?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: In the Philippines.

MRS CLARK: In the Philippines, that's what I thought.

POE: Oh, you had malaria too?

MR PFLUGHOEFT: Yeah. When we was - they shipped us over to, like I said, them two Sergeants and I would - that put us in the 24'1 Division, so we'd get to go home earlier - we all came down with malaria cause they'd quit giving us Atabrine tablets,


cause we was going home. Well, the other two guys - I could still go down, you wouldn't eat nothing cause you had such a high fever, but I went down and got a cup of coffee for all three of us. And I was going by their supply room and I seen a big bottle of Atabrine tablets and I told the guy in front of 'em, I said, "See anybody around?" And he said, "No. Why?" And I said, "I'm gonna get that bottle of Atabrine tablets." So I went in that pantry or whatever it was they had the supplies in, took that bottle and stuck it in my fatigue jacket, got back up to the room and asked them two Sergeants if they wanted some Atabrine tablets. "Yeah," he said, "I'm going home. I don't want to go to the hospital." So I dumped 'em a handful, they put it in their jacket pocket, and we all got over it [chuckling]. In about two days, why, we broke the fever and got on a boat and finally got to come home.

MRS CLARK: [Chuckling] He told that story at the school, but I think enough years have passed that...

POE: [Laughing] Yeah. I don't think anybody's gonna...

MR PFLUGHOEFT: I still got that bottle of Atabrine tablets in the medicine cabinet [chuckling].

POE: You never had any recurrence of the malaria? MR PFLUGHOEFT: Oh yeah. POE: Oh, you have...?.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: When I first got back, let's see, three or four years, why, if I'd get a bad cold then I'd really get sick.

MRS CLARK: Yeah. I can remember as a kid, several times, I'd come home from school and I'd say, "What's the matter with Dad?" And Mom would say, "I think he's having a malaria attack." And it'd be, you know, a couple days and he was feeling really miserable. But I think, in probably the last 20 years, you haven't had anything, but...

MR PFLUGHOEFT: I think I can feel it once in a while, oh, if I get a cold... Anyway, I'll be cold and that's the way that always hits you. You're freezing to death but you have 104 fever. I'd feel sorry for anybody that'd get that dang stuff.

POE: Okay. Then we will conclude our interview and this time I'm gonna turn the camera off. [Chuckling] I didn't quite get it turned off before and look how much more was said.

MRS PFLUGHOEFT: [Chuckling] Yeah. POE: Okay. This concludes this interview...



POE: .. .with Ray Pflughoeft.


MRS PFLUGHOEFT: Yeah. You've done real good.

POE: Thank you.

MR PFLUGHOEFT: I hope I've helped you a little, whatever you needed.

[Marian turns the digital camcorder off and the interview is concluded at this time]


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